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Understand the Trinity and the Relationship Between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

Although many brothers and sisters in the Lord verbally acknowledge that there is only one God, who is unique, yet whom they pray to is the Trinity, that is, the God of three persons—the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. In the imagination of man, the Father is the great and powerful Jehovah God in heaven who “wears the golden crown on His head, His clothing is pure white”; the Son is the Lord Jesus who could be crucified and serve as a sin offering for man; the Holy Spirit can move man’s heart, grasp all matters, enlighten and guide man. That is a Trinity who has distinct persons of different functions, and that the combination of Gods of three persons is a complete God Himself. Therefore, the majority of believers pray in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Then, are we right or wrong in this opinion? Does the “Trinity” make sense? We will fellowship about it. In the light of this issue, first, let’s study several verses. It says in Genesis 1:2, in the beginning the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters, while it doesn’t say that the Spirit of the Trinity moved on the face of the waters; furthermore, God appeared to Abraham, as the one true God; Moses personally saw Jehovah’s back, heard Jehovah speak, and dialogued with Him many times in his life as well. However, he never told the Israelites that Jehovah God was the Trinity; never have those ancient saints and prophets, such as Job, Daniel, David and Samuel and so on, said that God was one who was made up of three parts. In addition, let’s read the words in Isaiah 43: 10-13: “You are my witnesses, said the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior. I have declared, and have saved, and I have showed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore you are my witnesses, said the LORD, that I am God. Yes, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?” From these scriptures, we can see Jehovah God Himself told the Israelites that He was the one true God, that beside Him there was no other God, and that after Him there surely would not be. In the entire Age of Law, everyone knew God is the unique true God, and that beside Him there is no other true God, nor is there the saying about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit at all. Then, when does the concept of the Trinity appear? In truth, there has been the concept of “Father and Son” since the incarnate Lord Jesus came on earth. Most of the believers accept it on the basis of the records in Matthew: “Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19). “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will” (Matthew 26: 39). When the Lord Jesus came into flesh to do His work, to make people know more easily that He is the appearance of God Himself, and that His words and utterances are words of God Himself, He told people that it was all right to pray, confess and repent in the name of the Father, the Lord Jesus or the Holy Spirit, allowing people to accept God’s redemption with relief and freedom. The Lord Jesus prayed to God the Father in heaven, which people couldn’t understand, so they thought there is also a God the Father in heaven. As a matter of fact, this was that the Lord Jesus in humanity prayed to God’s Spirit. He prayed in Gethsemane from the standpoint of a created human being, and called God in heaven Father—this revealed clearly His humility and obedience. When He was nailed to the cross, He prayed to God the Father—this all showed the substance of Christ is absolute obedient to God. Because people didn’t comprehend the Lord Jesus’ words purely, they gave explanation that God is the Trinity. From then on, the idea of the Trinity has continued to this day. With regard to this issue, actually the Lord Jesus has already corrected our erroneous comprehension. Let’s see how the Lord Jesus said. It is recorded in the Bible: “Philip said to him, Lord, show us the Father, and it suffises us. Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father? Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak to you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works” (John 14: 8-10). From here, we can see Philip had no knowledge that the substance of the Lord Jesus is Christ and God Himself, so he saw the Lord Jesus and God in heaven as two, and thought the Lord Jesus had a God the Father in heaven. Hence, he said to the Lord Jesus: “Lord, show us the Father.” Nonetheless, the Lord Jesus corrected his erroneous understanding, and said: “I am in the Father, and the Father in me,” “I and my Father are one,” “he that has seen me has seen the Father.” To wit, the Lord Jesus incarnate is the Father and the…

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Easily Explain the Meaning of the Trinity

The theory of the Trinity is something that is hard for the pastors and preachers to interpret clearly. What is the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? You will easily get the answer from this article.

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“Exploration of the ‘Trinity’” Clip: Does the Trinity Really Exist?

Gospel Movie “Exploration of the ‘Trinity’” Clip Introduction Does God really have three persons? Where does the idea of “the Trinity” come from? Is this really what God told man? Does the Trinity exist? This film clip will give you the answer.   » Watch full movie “Exploration of the ‘Trinity’“, or click here to watch more: • Christian Crosstalk “The Mystery of God’s Name” • Christian movie “The Mystery of Godliness—The Lord Jesus Has Come Back” • Christian movie “The Mystery of Godliness: The Sequel—God Is the Way, the Truth, and the Life”

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“Exploration of the ‘Trinity’” Clip: The Father and the Son Are One?

Gospel Movie “Exploration of the ‘Trinity’” Clip Introduction God is the Trinity, can such saying stand? The Lord Jesus said, “… he that has seen me has seen the Father” (Jhn 14:9), “I am in the Father, and the Father in me” (Jhn 14 :10 ), and “I and my Father are one” (Jhn 10:30 ). How should we understand these words? Please focus on this film clip.   » Watch full movie “Exploration of the ‘Trinity’“, or click here to watch more: • Christian Crosstalk “Last Days’ Pharisees” • Christian movie “The Mystery of Godliness—The Lord Jesus Has Come Back” • Christian movie “The Mystery of Godliness: The Sequel—God Is the Way, the Truth, and the Life”

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Does the Idea of the Trinity Hold up?

By Zhong Qi Early one morning, the birds were chirping outside the widow. As always, I got up and began to practice spiritual devotion. As I read the Lord’s words, “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength: this is the first commandment” (Mark 12: 29-30), I could not help remembering that during meetings, the pastors and elders often told us that God is triune. And they also quoted the Lord Jesus’ words, “” (Matthew 28:19), saying that Jehovah God is the Holy Father, Jesus is the Holy Son, and that there is still the Holy Spirit, and that when the three persons are combined into one, They become the one true God. Then I thought: The Lord Jesus said God is the one and only God. Since there is only one God, how could He have three persons? In the verse, the Lord Jesus only said “… baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; Later, Sister Li came to mind. I thought: She has just come back from attending a training program in another place, and moreover, she has been a preacher for years. Maybe she can solve my puzzle. Thereupon, I went to Sister Li’s house. There, I happened to meet her friend, Zhang Mo, who was also a preacher. Then I told them my confusion about the idea of the Trinity, and they patiently fellowshiped with me. Zhang Mo said to me in a gentle voice: “Sister Zhong, the question you’ve brought up had also puzzled me for many years. It was not until recently that I got the answer from a book. Let’s read some words in this book together, and then you will know the answer to this question. Sister Li, would you like to read?” Sister Li said: “OK. These days I also read some words in this book. I found these words are very practical and full of authority and power, and are all the truth! They have answered this question very clearly. Let me read several passages of the words in this book: ‘Since all people say that God is the only one true God, then there is a single God, divisible at will by none! God is only one Spirit, and only one person; and that is the Spirit of God. If it is as you say, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, then are They not three Gods? The Holy Spirit is one matter, the Son another, and the Father yet another. They are distinct persons of different substances, so how then can They each be part of a single God? The Holy Spirit is a Spirit; this is easy for man to understand. If so, then the Father is even more so a Spirit. He has never descended onto earth and has never become flesh; He is Jehovah God in the heart of man, and He is certainly a Spirit as well. Then what is the relationship between Him and the Holy Spirit? Is it the relationship between Father and Son? Or is it the relationship between the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of the Father? Is the substance of each Spirit the same? Or is the Holy Spirit an instrument of the Father? How can this be explained? And then what is the relationship between the Son and the Holy Spirit? Is it a relationship between two Spirits or the relationship between a man and a Spirit? These are all matters that can have no explanation! If They are all one Spirit, then there can be no talk of three persons, for They are possessed of a single Spirit. If They were distinct persons, then Their Spirits would vary in strength, and simply They could not be one single Spirit. This concept of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is most absurd!’ ‘What is the Holy Father? What is the Son? What is the Holy Spirit? Is Jehovah the Holy Father? Is Jesus the Son? Then what of the Holy Spirit? Is not the Father a Spirit? Is not the substance of the Son also a Spirit? Was not the work of Jesus the work of the Holy Spirit? Was not the work of Jehovah at the time carried out by a Spirit the same as Jesus’? How many Spirits can God have? According to your explanation, the three persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one; if so, there are three Spirits, but to have three Spirits means there are three Gods. This means that there is no one true God; how can this kind of God still have the inherent substance of God? If you accept that there is only one God, then how can He have a son and be a father? Are these not all simply your notions?’” (“Does the Trinity Exist?”). After Sister Li finished reading these words, Zhang Mo fellowshiped: “These words tell us that the idea of the Trinity of Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, is splitting God, it is a fallacy. There is only one God. And God is only one person, and His substance is the Spirit. So, the idea of the Trinity doesn’t exist at all. In the Age of Law, never did Jehovah God tell the Israelites that God is a Trinity. Also, Moses, the man used by God at that time, and prophets like Isaiah and Daniel, didn’t say that God consists of the Holy Father, the Holy Son, and the Holy Spirit. In the Age of Grace, the Lord Jesus never said God is triune. When the disciples and apostles of the Lord traveled everywhere to preach and work, they didn’t bear witness that God is a Trinity. The…

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Does the Trinity Exist?

It was only after the truth of Jesus become flesh came to be that man realized this: it is not only the Father in heaven, but also the Son, and even the Spirit. This is the conventional notion man holds, that there is a God such as this in heaven: a Trinity that is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, all in one. All mankind has these notions: God is one God, but comprises three parts, what all those grievously entrenched in conventional notions deem to be the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Only those three parts made one is all of God. Without the Holy Father, God would not be whole. Similarly, neither would God be whole without the Son or the Holy Spirit. In their notions, they believe that neither the Father alone nor the Son alone can be deemed God. Only the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit together can be deemed God Himself. Now, all religious believers, including each and every follower among you, hold this belief. Yet, as for whether this belief is correct, none can explain, for you are always in a fog of confusion about the matters of God Himself. Though these are notions, you do not know whether they are right or wrong, for you have become too grievously infected by religious notions. You have accepted too deeply these conventional notions of religion, and this poison has seeped too deep within you. Therefore, so too in this matter have you succumbed to this pernicious influence, for the Trinity simply does not exist. That is, the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit simply does not exist. These are all conventional notions of man, and the fallacious beliefs of man. Throughout many centuries, man has believed in this Trinity, conjured up by notions in the mind of a man, fabricated by man, and never before seen by man. Throughout these many years, there have been many spiritual greats who have explained the “true meaning” of the Trinity, but such explanations of the Trinity as three distinct consubstantial persons have been vague and unclear, and all are befuddled by the “construct” of God. No great man has ever been able to offer a thorough explanation; most explanations pass muster in terms of reasoning and on paper, but not a single man has a fully clear understanding of its meaning. This is because this “great Trinity” man holds in the heart simply does not exist. For none have ever seen the true countenance of God or have any been fortunate enough to ascend to the abode of God for a visit so as to examine what items are present in the place where God lies, to determine exactly how many tens of thousands or hundreds of millions of generations are in the “house of God” or to investigate just how many parts compose the inherent construct of God. What mainly needs to be examined is: the age of the Father and the Son, as well as the Holy Spirit; the respective appearances of each person; exactly how is it that They split up, and how is it that They are made one. Unfortunately, in all these many years, not a single man has been able to determine the truth of these matters. They all simply conjecture, for not a single man has ever ascended to heaven for a visit and returned with an “investigative report” for all mankind in order to report on the truth of the matter to all those fervent and devout religious believers concerned about the Trinity. Of course, the blame cannot be put on man for forming such notions, for why did Jehovah the Father not have Jesus the Son accompany Him when He created mankind? If, in the beginning, all had gone by the name of Jehovah, it would have been better. If blame must be put, let it be put on the momentary lapse of Jehovah God, who did not call the Son and the Holy Spirit before Him in the time of creation, but rather carried out His work alone. If They had all worked simultaneously, then would They not have become one? If, from the very beginning until the end, there was only the name Jehovah and not the name of Jesus from the Age of Grace, or if He had then still been called Jehovah, then would God not have been spared the suffering of this division by mankind? To be sure, Jehovah cannot be lamented for this all; if blame must be put, let it be put on the Holy Spirit, who for thousands of years continued His work by the name of Jehovah, of Jesus, and even of the Holy Spirit, befuddling and confusing man such that man could not know who exactly is God. If the Holy Spirit Himself had worked without form or image, and moreover, without a name such as Jesus, and man could neither touch nor see Him, only hearing the sounds of thunder, then would not this kind of work have been of more benefit to mankind? So what can be done now? The notions of man have amassed high as a mountain and wide as the sea, to the extent that the God of present day can no longer endure them and is at a complete loss! In the past when it was only Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit in between the two, man was already at a loss as to how to cope, and now there is the addition of the Almighty, who is even said to also be “a part of God.” Who knows who He is and in which person of the Trinity He has been intermingled with or hidden within for however many years? How can man bear this? The Trinity alone was enough to take man a lifetime to explain, but now there is “one God in four persons.” How can this be…

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